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	<description>An epic love story played out on a battlefield</description>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 12 &#8211; coming out by Pilgrim Soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pilgrim Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent series Patrik!  Hopefully, it will spark real discussion on the issue within The Salvation Army, but I suspect it will remain - as ever - a polarised debate! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent series Patrik!  Hopefully, it will spark real discussion on the issue within The Salvation Army, but I suspect it will remain &#8211; as ever &#8211; a polarised debate! </p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 12 &#8211; coming out by Johnny Laird</title>
		<link>http://warcry.olterman.se/?p=13058#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Laird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see some input from Steve Yoder - top man!</description>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 9 &#8211; The Salvation Army by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think you&#039;ve set up a false dichotomy there. No one said slander wasn&#039;t bad (band buddies trash talking), just that the picture wasn&#039;t necessary.  Cheers. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think you&#8217;ve set up a false dichotomy there. No one said slander wasn&#8217;t bad (band buddies trash talking), just that the picture wasn&#8217;t necessary.  Cheers. <img src='http://warcry.olterman.se/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 12 &#8211; coming out by olterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>olterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Karina! I look forward to our further conversations about this and many other things!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Karina! I look forward to our further conversations about this and many other things!</p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 12 &#8211; coming out by olterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>olterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Steve, I really appreciate the shout out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Steve, I really appreciate the shout out!</p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 12 &#8211; coming out by olterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>olterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Sven posted this comment, and I know Peters response is to Mackan Andersson, and i know that there is little or no chance that Peter will see this. 

Nevertheless I need to state:
A) I do not think the Bible is unambiguous about homosexuality, the texts Peter refer to may address what we know as homosexuality OR may be talking about heterosexual men engaging in homosexual practices.

B) Jesus return is FAR FROM the most common topic of the bible old or new testament. The Kingdom of God may be and that is not the same. However I would say that almost every sermon should be about the kingdom of god as this is number one on Jesus&#039; agenda.

C) There are many lobby organisations that preach greed as virtue, it is of course disguised with the word blessing or prosperity.

D) The last point while fantastic in theory, that our situation and family relations should not interfere with our reading of scripture or our theology, it is simply not true. Our context will always influence our reading and our theology. 
Furthermore, I think that god changes how and what he speaks to us according to our situation and relation to him. In that sense theology is and must be relational. 
Peter, your theology is for example extremely influenced by your army experience and by your upbringing in a modern society. There are many theological views you hold that would be foreign to the ancient mind (or the post-modern for that matter). We always read from our context because as humans we are not able to transcend our context. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Sven posted this comment, and I know Peters response is to Mackan Andersson, and i know that there is little or no chance that Peter will see this. </p>
<p>Nevertheless I need to state:<br />
A) I do not think the Bible is unambiguous about homosexuality, the texts Peter refer to may address what we know as homosexuality OR may be talking about heterosexual men engaging in homosexual practices.</p>
<p>B) Jesus return is FAR FROM the most common topic of the bible old or new testament. The Kingdom of God may be and that is not the same. However I would say that almost every sermon should be about the kingdom of god as this is number one on Jesus&#8217; agenda.</p>
<p>C) There are many lobby organisations that preach greed as virtue, it is of course disguised with the word blessing or prosperity.</p>
<p>D) The last point while fantastic in theory, that our situation and family relations should not interfere with our reading of scripture or our theology, it is simply not true. Our context will always influence our reading and our theology. <br />
Furthermore, I think that god changes how and what he speaks to us according to our situation and relation to him. In that sense theology is and must be relational. <br />
Peter, your theology is for example extremely influenced by your army experience and by your upbringing in a modern society. There are many theological views you hold that would be foreign to the ancient mind (or the post-modern for that matter). We always read from our context because as humans we are not able to transcend our context. </p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 12 &#8211; coming out by Steve Yoder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Yoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Brother Patrik!  Cheering you on from Chicago.  I&#039;m your brother in Christ, fellow Salvationist, and colleague officer...(brother in Christ first and foremost!)

A friend forwarded your bloglink via Johnny Laird&#039;s...and I&#039;m very glad!  Just finished reading the 12 sessions, and I&#039;m with you - all the way.  (Thanks for the translation, Sven...and for encouraging Patrik to allow this!)

This whole business of &quot;love the sinner and hate the sin&quot; has bothered me for ages.  Too many words!  We need to stop at the first word:  &quot;Love.&quot;  I sure don&#039;t want to dabble in &quot;hate&quot; - whether against a person or a thing!  Had too much hate in my heart before Christ.  And defining someone as &quot;sinner&quot; makes them sound like a target or animal to be hunted!  I just want to LOVE people without having to put any label on them other than their own and life experience - seeing them through the eyes of Christ as much as possible!  You helped me tighten my focus and my purpose, Patrik.

There are few pains in the world greater than the pain of loneliness:  I
 pray we&#039;ll never be guilty of causing more!  Much better to love,
include, unite......Have been recalling how often Jesus got slammed for hanging out with all the wrong people!  That&#039;s REAL Army; we&#039;re called to tend the flock of the least and lowest and lost and lonely.  We just have to finally decide who we want to get hate mail from - the pharisees and money people or the people we&#039;re called by God to serve/love!

Enjoying powerful fellowship/learning links with Andrew Marin and his team - and much the better for it.  Keep the faith... keep strong... you are NOT alone, Patrik!  God bless you brother...

Steve

p.s. Apologies for a rambling response; hope something of my heart has shone through...for good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Brother Patrik!  Cheering you on from Chicago.  I&#8217;m your brother in Christ, fellow Salvationist, and colleague officer&#8230;(brother in Christ first and foremost!)</p>
<p>A friend forwarded your bloglink via Johnny Laird&#8217;s&#8230;and I&#8217;m very glad!  Just finished reading the 12 sessions, and I&#8217;m with you &#8211; all the way.  (Thanks for the translation, Sven&#8230;and for encouraging Patrik to allow this!)</p>
<p>This whole business of &#8220;love the sinner and hate the sin&#8221; has bothered me for ages.  Too many words!  We need to stop at the first word:  &#8220;Love.&#8221;  I sure don&#8217;t want to dabble in &#8220;hate&#8221; &#8211; whether against a person or a thing!  Had too much hate in my heart before Christ.  And defining someone as &#8220;sinner&#8221; makes them sound like a target or animal to be hunted!  I just want to LOVE people without having to put any label on them other than their own and life experience &#8211; seeing them through the eyes of Christ as much as possible!  You helped me tighten my focus and my purpose, Patrik.</p>
<p>There are few pains in the world greater than the pain of loneliness:  I<br />
 pray we&#8217;ll never be guilty of causing more!  Much better to love,<br />
include, unite&#8230;&#8230;Have been recalling how often Jesus got slammed for hanging out with all the wrong people!  That&#8217;s REAL Army; we&#8217;re called to tend the flock of the least and lowest and lost and lonely.  We just have to finally decide who we want to get hate mail from &#8211; the pharisees and money people or the people we&#8217;re called by God to serve/love!</p>
<p>Enjoying powerful fellowship/learning links with Andrew Marin and his team &#8211; and much the better for it.  Keep the faith&#8230; keep strong&#8230; you are NOT alone, Patrik!  God bless you brother&#8230;</p>
<p>Steve</p>
<p>p.s. Apologies for a rambling response; hope something of my heart has shone through&#8230;for good.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 9 &#8211; The Salvation Army by olterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>olterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comment. I know that this picture is somewhat controversial. This picture in itself caused an uproar when it was released the first time. People balked at the thought of Jonas Gardell as a Salvo. Some Swedish biker gangs where in an uproar that Jonas was making fun of the Salvation Army. 

I think the picture sums up our fear, ambivalence and our prejudice quite nicely.

When we think of LGBTQ persons in the church we think this is what our church will look like (I do know that I am generalising now and I am aware that not everyone has this prejudice ...). 

To be honest I think that the people who will discard this text because of the picture would refuse to listen to the text anyway. What really gets me is that somehow we think that this image (of a uniform worn badly or perhaps indecently) is worse than someone dressed up smartly in uniform and trash talks his band buddies behind their backs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comment. I know that this picture is somewhat controversial. This picture in itself caused an uproar when it was released the first time. People balked at the thought of Jonas Gardell as a Salvo. Some Swedish biker gangs where in an uproar that Jonas was making fun of the Salvation Army. </p>
<p>I think the picture sums up our fear, ambivalence and our prejudice quite nicely.</p>
<p>When we think of LGBTQ persons in the church we think this is what our church will look like (I do know that I am generalising now and I am aware that not everyone has this prejudice &#8230;). </p>
<p>To be honest I think that the people who will discard this text because of the picture would refuse to listen to the text anyway. What really gets me is that somehow we think that this image (of a uniform worn badly or perhaps indecently) is worse than someone dressed up smartly in uniform and trash talks his band buddies behind their backs. </p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 9 &#8211; The Salvation Army by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, no real substantive comments here but just to suggest that you may want to change the photo on this post if you really do desire for a &quot;conservative&quot; reader to take seriously the proposals that you put forth. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, no real substantive comments here but just to suggest that you may want to change the photo on this post if you really do desire for a &#8220;conservative&#8221; reader to take seriously the proposals that you put forth. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBTQ part 12 &#8211; coming out by Sven Ljungholm</title>
		<link>http://warcry.olterman.se/?p=13058#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven Ljungholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m adding your response to the FSAOF blog. Well said, Karina!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m adding your response to the FSAOF blog. Well said, Karina!</p>
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